Wednesday, June 07, 2006
“THE IJBURG CRISIS MEETINGS”: Raw fragment of the main stage
03/06/2006 14:09:07nuevas realidadesthe news!: 500 officers were being sent in to help the 1,000 police and gendarmes already tackling the unrest.14:09:11ijburger.. (illegal)should we take these youngsters seriuosly?
14:09:16muslim organizationThis is the time to start adressing this otherwise this will go out of hand
14:09:41ijburger.. (illegal)what is this 'this' that we need to address???
14:09:50muslim organizationabsolutly - they are representing the current state of mind of a big part of the dutch younsters
14:10:31ijburger.. (illegal)is this really small group of youngstrers fighting in the street really the dominant voice
14:10:40muslim organizationthe rioting youngsters - we have to ask why, we need to talk with them about why they are so frustrated with the dutch sociity
14:11:06ijburger.. (illegal)thats an assumption, are they frustrated by the dutch???
14:11:36muslim organizationWe offer you our help, our net of organisation
14:11:59muslim organizationWe want to speak with rita verdonk
14:12:08ijburger.. (illegal)yes,,, we will be the big papa and mama saving the youngsters on the l;oose... sure they ll like it!!!!
14:12:20muslim organizationto express our concen
14:12:28Ayaan Hirsi AliSorry, I was speaking with my adviser… but I’m back
14:12:37nuevas realidadesthe news: "at each step, we will take the necessary measures to re-establish order very quickly throughout Netherlands" said the police chief of Utrech.
14:13:35ijburger.. (illegal)lovely rita meet a mate...
14:14:04Ayaan Hirsi AliSo, rita do you have some problems?
14:14:18muslim organizationWe would like to express this is a serious matter and would like to speak to Ria Verdonk immediatly
14:14:29ijburger.. (illegal)think it must be mark on the phone asking for advice...03/06/2006
14:14:32iron rita team ...
14:14:40Ayaan Hirsi AliMaybe with papers? And laws?
14:14:57muslim organizationThere is still time for negotian we think
14:15:21ijburger.. (illegal)i think rita s advisors told her to keep quiet... balkenende did the same thing didnt he?!\ 14:16:14Se agregó a m7explorer a la conversación.
14:16:18muslim organizationWe strongly suggest a converstaiton althoug we want to stress that this is not a moslim organised riot
14:16:47ijburger.. (illegal)you made your point mo, but she s simply laying low...\
14:16:52muslim organizationWe also would like to suggest to hirshi alithat she should use her public image to deal with the rioters!!
14:17:06iron rita teamwe´re having some technical problems
14:17:36iron rita team"To prevent protests of a disillusioned youth we exactly have to guarantee that public institutions such as schools and educational systems can reach these youngsters. That's why we pressure foreigners to open up to assimilation. We cannot accept that parts of our society are not reachable." 03/06/2006
14:18:14 Ayaan Hirsi AliOk, if you want to speak, way we don’t speak about women rights?
14:18:25nuevas realidadesthe news: that rioters are simply drawing breath? An organized figth?
14:18:26ijburger.. (illegal) we are the borg... this sounds really scary from my point of view..03/06/2006
14:18:44iron rita teamWe need to insists that Dutch culture and values are accepted. Such as the handshake event. In a society in which people speak equally to one another and in which we can solve problems by public debate it is not acceptable that religious leader do not shake hands with women. The Dutch Country guarantees its citizens equal rights.
14:19:03iron rita team"Dear Ayaan. We are considering procedures which would allow cooporation between your interests and the interests of the VVD which you have served well. Still my standpoint is that this work needs to be done on legal bases. Surrounding, cheating and faking can not be accepted. "
14:20:33ijburger.. (illegal)why put so much value to the hand shaking, learn to accept a bow with the head is just as precious03/06/2006
14:20:42muslim organization We do believe that we can have a converstion even with respecting soe of our cultural codes. We do not want to alinate from our believes
14:21:14ijburger.. (illegal)its just silly symbols, the meaning behind it is what matters, a handshake in itself is no sign of repect at all!
14:21:56ijburger.. (illegal)(sorry to call your cultural identity silly... ;))
14:22:18muslim organizationWe should indeed try to reach the youngsters to education but we feel we that should be done with respect ot ethical and religions differnce
13:19:20Rita VerdonkYes, where is the log-in? Clicking on "Blog This"? Top menue bar?
13:21:03jane abandonó la conversación.
13:35:30Rita VerdonkI hope you are still in this chat!
13:35:40iron rita teami am here!
14:14:04Ayaan Hirsi AliSo, rita do you have some problems?
14:14:18muslim organizationWe would like to express this is a serious matter and would like to speak to Ria Verdonk immediatly
14:14:29ijburger.. (illegal)think it must be mark on the phone asking for advice...03/06/200614:14:32iron rita team...
14:14:40Ayaan Hirsi AliMaybe with papers? And laws?
14:14:57muslim organizationThere is still time for negotian we think
14:15:21ijburger.. (illegal)i think rita s advisors told her to keep quiet... balkenende did the same thing didnt he?!\
14:16:14Se agregó a m7explorer a la conversación.03/06/2006
14:16:18muslim organizationWe strongly suggest a converstaiton althoug we want to stress that this is not a moslim organised riot
14:16:47ijburger.. (illegal)you made your point mo, but she s simply laying low...\
14:16:52muslim organizationWe also would like to suggest to hirshi alithat she should use her public image to deal with the rioters!!03/06/2006
14:17:06iron rita teamwe´re having some technical problems03/06/2006
14:17:36iron rita team"To prevent protests of a disillusioned youth we exactly have to guarantee that public institutions such as schools and educational systems can reach these youngsters. That's why we pressure foreigners to open up to assimilation. We cannot accept that parts of our society are not reachable." 03/06/2006
14:18:14Ayaan Hirsi AliOk, if you want to speak, way we don’t speak about women rights? 14:18:25nuevas realidadesthe news: that rioters are simply drawing breath? An organized figth? 03/06/2006
14:18:26ijburger.. (illegal)we are the borg... this sounds really scary from my point of view..
14:18:44iron rita teamWe need to insists that Dutch culture and values are accepted. Such as the handshake event. In a society in which people speak equally to one another and in which we can solve problems by public debate it is not acceptable that religious leader do not shake hands with women. The Dutch Country guarantees its citizens equal rights.03/06/2006
14:19:03iron rita team"Dear Ayaan. We are considering procedures which would allow cooporation between your interests and the interests of the VVD which you have served well. Still my standpoint is that this work needs to be done on legal bases. Surrounding, cheating and faking can not be accepted. "
14:20:33ijburger.. (illegal)why put so much value to the hand shaking, learn to accept a bow with the head is just as precious
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